Yes, but we don't really know what the characters in the story remember as 'the true timeline as it has always been'. I mean, we know they remember John Keel as someone curiously similar to middle-aged Vimes rather than Keel as Vimes once knew him, but do they remember Sergeant Keppel? (Maybe they do, maybe he only returned to the watch house at Treacle Mine Road from his retirement after May 25th.) OK, do they remember Vetinari graduating from the Assassins' Guild in 1964 as Sacharissa remembers in The Truth or sometime before 1958 (based on FOC taking place a year before the 300 year celebration of the revolution of 1688) or not graduating at all (if he ran off when Snapcase started asking too many questions, would have been in character for him)?
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Erm....... Terry had different books going on at the same time with the same characters in different timelines. So did Patick O'Brian. I'd say it is exactly the same thing. (Except that O'Brian didn't have the fall-back of magic and just had to get on with it and hope his readers didn't mind too much).
Erm....... Terry had different books going on at the same time with the same characters in different timelines. So did Patick O'Brian. I'd say it is exactly the same thing. (Except that O'Brian didn't have the fall-back of magic and just had to get on with it and hope his readers didn't mind too much).
Still doesn't answer the question what it is that the people remember. It makes sense to them, but we don't know which version it is, except probably *not* the one we have for the books before Thief of Time/Nightwatch. And there isn't enough information in later books to determine which way it went.
Heck, if the Vimes in the 'new' timeline is the one who grew from the young person we see in Nightwatch, then when the events of FOC roll by wouldn't he have contacted Dr Lawn rather than Doughnut Jimmy to treat Vetinari for his poisoning?
Heck, if the Vimes in the 'new' timeline is the one who grew from the young person we see in Nightwatch, then when the events of FOC roll by wouldn't he have contacted Dr Lawn rather than Doughnut Jimmy to treat Vetinari for his poisoning?
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That (various stories set in the same year) is correct.
What isn't is that that was the thing concerned. That was whether or not you can actually built a timeline that makes sense (you can, fans have proven) and if at Thief of Time said timeline was altered and if we do see the effects in the books since nightwatch.
The books since then seem to be in continuity with themself, but not with those pre ToT.
@Cabbagehead: Who says he didn't.
Let me explain.
Imagine the timeline got altered as mentioned above.
And with it some events, we migt not yet know that they have been altered.
Has Jimmy shown up or gotten a mention since Nightwatch?
Not that I remember.
Yes, that is not a prove for the theory, but we are just speculating.
What isn't is that that was the thing concerned. That was whether or not you can actually built a timeline that makes sense (you can, fans have proven) and if at Thief of Time said timeline was altered and if we do see the effects in the books since nightwatch.
The books since then seem to be in continuity with themself, but not with those pre ToT.
@Cabbagehead: Who says he didn't.
Let me explain.
Imagine the timeline got altered as mentioned above.
And with it some events, we migt not yet know that they have been altered.
Has Jimmy shown up or gotten a mention since Nightwatch?
Not that I remember.
Yes, that is not a prove for the theory, but we are just speculating.
What is it with you and regarding fanfiction/fanon as inferior as a whole?
I'll stop being me the day I die.
Why did you? You're the one who, after reams of explanation and discussion from me dismissed it all with:
I farkin' hate the book for being full of beginner's mistakes, errors and general stupidity.
You're the one who came on here pontificating about books you haven't even read yet.... :naughty:
Why did you? You're the one who, after reams of explanation and discussion from me dismissed it all with:
I farkin' hate the book for being full of beginner's mistakes, errors and general stupidity.
You're the one who came on here pontificating about books you haven't even read yet.... :naughty:
Your opinion, your choice.
With the possible exception of my vocal dislike of fanfiction, which you have taken exception to for personal reasons, I think I have been pretty reasonable. I could have just said "You don't like a book that I do like, so you can bugger off" and stalked you around the forum making snerky comments at all your posts. I could have tried to get other members on my side against you.
Instead I have written paragraphs of replies to your (frankly, imo, rather petty) criticism of the book and attempted to rehabilitate a character that you seem to have developed a (again imo, rather irrationional) dislike of. Paragraphs I suspect that you haven't even bothered to read or, at best, skimmed.
If you can't take my digs at fanfiction, or the fact that I have a different opinion of UA than you - well, tough. :violin: Your problem.
With the possible exception of my vocal dislike of fanfiction, which you have taken exception to for personal reasons, I think I have been pretty reasonable. I could have just said "You don't like a book that I do like, so you can bugger off" and stalked you around the forum making snerky comments at all your posts. I could have tried to get other members on my side against you.
Instead I have written paragraphs of replies to your (frankly, imo, rather petty) criticism of the book and attempted to rehabilitate a character that you seem to have developed a (again imo, rather irrationional) dislike of. Paragraphs I suspect that you haven't even bothered to read or, at best, skimmed.
If you can't take my digs at fanfiction, or the fact that I have a different opinion of UA than you - well, tough. :violin: Your problem.
(Ah, it's been a while!)
If you don't mind me butting in with my honest opinion, fanfiction is quite often better than true published stories. But if it's the ideology behind fanfiction that might be the bother, then I suppose that's not important...
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But on a completely different note, I think a witches book is probably due - it's been a while, hasn't it? But in the next few books I'd want to see Moist again :hand: that's more in the vein of Going Postal. I reread Making Money and found it...disappointing.
If you don't mind me butting in with my honest opinion, fanfiction is quite often better than true published stories. But if it's the ideology behind fanfiction that might be the bother, then I suppose that's not important...
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But on a completely different note, I think a witches book is probably due - it's been a while, hasn't it? But in the next few books I'd want to see Moist again :hand: that's more in the vein of Going Postal. I reread Making Money and found it...disappointing.