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raptornx01 said:
Seems fitting. a 6 year gap? Nice space for it. ofcourse Making money took place during that time, as did UA 
(Seriously, Lobsang did a marvellous job repairing the timeline. Thumbs up, man :violin: )
I think all these things that appear in UU like fashion and troll cabs have been growing slowly over the years, outside of the stories told. That is one of the things that I so like about the Discworld: stuff happens all the time even if we do not see it. (and one of my dissapointments about the tv movies/series made: no sense of life in the background) They would not appear in Thud: Vimes do not strike me as a very fashion concious man, and since he would rather "drive" his sedan chair himself, I do not see him taking a troll cab anytime soon. And Moist is too busy being Moist in MM ( I suspect Mdme Sharn might have asked for a loan for the development of micromail.. 
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If i remember right, the Clacks kind of came out of no where as well. and the dis-organizer if it comes to that.
fantasy is a wonderful thing
as for time frame. i kind of got that impression as well, but its hard to tell. Men at arms is, according to dialouge about 8 months after Guards guards, and Feet of clay 2 years after gg, i believe. may be wrong.
fantasy is a wonderful thing
as for time frame. i kind of got that impression as well, but its hard to tell. Men at arms is, according to dialouge about 8 months after Guards guards, and Feet of clay 2 years after gg, i believe. may be wrong.
Hard to tell, but I would imagine that the timeframe between Thud and MM wasn't more than a year, given that in MM Vetinari's whole purpose for installing Moist at the bank was to free up capital to be used for the exploration and development of the abandoned dwarf tunnels beneath the city. Since in MM there's absolutely no mention by Adora Belle about the refinancing of the clacks company or the renovation of the system, one could assume that all of this has already occurred and Adora Belle has plenty of money in pocket (otherwise, she wouldn't have been able to lease the dwarf land; one assumes that the Golem Trust money isn't completely funded by the golems themselves, although one never knows).
Between MM and UA it's harder to tell. By events in the book it does seem that the golem horses have been in use for awhile. The main "timeframe indicator" that I see is when Vimes mentions that he has been spending many months negotiating the peace treaty between the Dwarfs and Trolls. I might guess that no more than two years have passed between the end of Thud and the end of UA. But, again, that's speculation at best. All the other things that happen in UA--the street futball matches, the rise of dwarf fashions and trolls' interest in cosmetics--could have been happening all along in the city (or at least since the end of TFE).
Between MM and UA it's harder to tell. By events in the book it does seem that the golem horses have been in use for awhile. The main "timeframe indicator" that I see is when Vimes mentions that he has been spending many months negotiating the peace treaty between the Dwarfs and Trolls. I might guess that no more than two years have passed between the end of Thud and the end of UA. But, again, that's speculation at best. All the other things that happen in UA--the street futball matches, the rise of dwarf fashions and trolls' interest in cosmetics--could have been happening all along in the city (or at least since the end of TFE).
Like LilMaibe, I am not sure I'd want to read an another book set in the same reality as AU and MM (and I would add some things from The Truth and Thud) , cos these two books quite ruined Ankh-Morpork as a set for stories for me. (I like the underground project though).
I'd like to read a book set on Krull or in Pseudopolis.
I'd like to read a book set on Krull or in Pseudopolis.
The Discworld timeline is..... flexible. Terry is no Tolkien obsessively building worlds within worlds and referring back again and again to make sure he has everything spot-on.
Personally I don't think it matters that much, but then I've never been one to pick a book to pieces until all that is left are bones. I'm no obsessive/compulsive when it comes to reading matter.
Personally I don't think it matters that much, but then I've never been one to pick a book to pieces until all that is left are bones. I'm no obsessive/compulsive when it comes to reading matter.
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Wasn't it a point of ToT (Thief of Time) that the fussy timeline got fixed. As in -It broke once and we couldn't put it back together again correctly, but now we have the son of time/time itself doing that-? Correct me if I am wrong.
But even if not, even Sir Terry has always kept some consistency in his stories. A consistency that seems to lack in MM and UA. Unfortunately.
(I mentioned it before, but I can't help but wonder if, for example, Last Continent would, no, could have taken place in the same reality as UA. But I digress)
But even if not, even Sir Terry has always kept some consistency in his stories. A consistency that seems to lack in MM and UA. Unfortunately.
(I mentioned it before, but I can't help but wonder if, for example, Last Continent would, no, could have taken place in the same reality as UA. But I digress)
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GP was, well, fresh, while MM read more or less like stabled together from drafts for GP. It was basically the same story in green just not as memorizable as GP. GP had many little moment you remember, MM...yes, there was the bit with the sex toys and possible the golems, but MM leaves one (YMMV, of course) with a feeling that something happened without happening... It's there and that's it, but how everything goes together is...hard to tell.
As for Last Continent:
UA gives us several information about the daily life at the university that directly contradict information in Last Continent (wizards sleeping habits, for example) That wouldn't matter if it, in a way, wouldn't have been so essential in TLC that wizards don't have mealtimes between supper and breakfast. It's all just speculation and yes, a bit of overanalysis, but here's my string of thoughts:
In TLC the wizards order food out of the regular times in a greater amount than the 'occassional nightsnack'. Food which has to be brought to the study. Which then leads to the wizards getting stuck on mono island.
Now, if there'd been a nightkitchen and regular meals at 3 am (or it be at leats common for wizards to be up at that time, as it is in UA) they very likely would have brought food with them directly.
So, no need for Mrs Whitlow to come to the study and cause the following events.
As said, it is just speculation.
As for Last Continent:
UA gives us several information about the daily life at the university that directly contradict information in Last Continent (wizards sleeping habits, for example) That wouldn't matter if it, in a way, wouldn't have been so essential in TLC that wizards don't have mealtimes between supper and breakfast. It's all just speculation and yes, a bit of overanalysis, but here's my string of thoughts:
In TLC the wizards order food out of the regular times in a greater amount than the 'occassional nightsnack'. Food which has to be brought to the study. Which then leads to the wizards getting stuck on mono island.
Now, if there'd been a nightkitchen and regular meals at 3 am (or it be at leats common for wizards to be up at that time, as it is in UA) they very likely would have brought food with them directly.
So, no need for Mrs Whitlow to come to the study and cause the following events.
As said, it is just speculation.
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The hand thing was creepy.
As for the eating habits:
Yes, but UA makes it rather clear that it has been like that since always. (To pseudo-quote TLC: Has it always been like that since the founding of the university 2000 years ago, half a year ago?) If it were said that the nightkitchen is something new, there'd be no problem.
As for the eating habits:
Yes, but UA makes it rather clear that it has been like that since always. (To pseudo-quote TLC: Has it always been like that since the founding of the university 2000 years ago, half a year ago?) If it were said that the nightkitchen is something new, there'd be no problem.
