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Quatermass

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REVIEW: The Light Fantastic


With The Colour of Magic ending more or less on a cliffhanger (or, to be more precise, a cliffdropper), a sequel was probably inevitable, if only to finish the story of Rincewind and Twoflower satisfactorily. While a decent book in its own right, The Light Fantastic lacks some of the momentum of the original...

Thanks to the deus ex machina properties of the Octavo, anxious to prevent one of its spells from dropping off the edge of the Discworld, Rincewind and Twoflower find themselves back on the Disc. While they try to make their own way, the wizards of the world are beginning to become worried when a new star appears in the sky, and threatens collision with the Discworld. While ambitious wizard Trymon is making plans involving the Octavo, Rincewind and Twoflower make the acquaintance of the oldest hero on the Disc, Cohen the Barbarian, and a virgin sacrifice called Bethan. Between irritable druids, the daughter of Death, a determined swordswoman, and one VERY bog troll, Rincewind and his fellow travellers have their work cut out for them, if they are to save the world...

This is probably the first Discworld story to have a more coherent storyline, and for some reason, that doesn't quite suit The Light Fantastic. The Colour of Magic worked in the style Pratchett had before maturing as a writer because it was more anarchic. Here, the smidgen of plot seems to work against the humour.

Still, we see Rincewind and Twoflower given added depth, along with a number of interesting characters. While Bethan doesn't quite appeal to me, Cohen the Barbarian emerges almost fully-formed, and we get, at last, a proper look into Unseen University. Ymper Trymon is the first true Discworld villain, and while his threat level is not quite high until later in the book, he does prefigure many a later villain in the books, reminding me of the similarly bureaucratic and 'grey' Auditors, as well as Mr Clete from Soul Music.

While the Pratchett imagination is clear in many parts of the book, there are parts that are too dry, and I feel that the druidic 'computer' was something of a misfire. In fact, I'll be blunt. This book, compared to the previous one, and the ones to come as well, is something of a desert. Perhaps the best sequence was the Death's house sequence, an interesting interlude in the story that, while it does little to actually advance the plot, is probably one of the best things in it. The climactic fight is also well done, even if the concept of Rincewind fighting is a little hard to swallow, though to be honest, he does it while half-crazed with fear.

The Light Fantastic does bring this brief arc to a satisfactory conclusion, but I do feel disappointed. This seems to be one of the lesser Discworld books, despite the fact that it introduces so many good things to come...



Special New Utterance Rating Trial: Ehh.

First words: The sun rose slowly, as if it wasn't sure it was worth all the effort.

Last words: Which soon became a glint among the stars, and disappeared.

Now, the Special New Utterance Rating Trial (or SNURT) is a special onomatopoeic system of ratings based on their quality relative to other Discworld novels. They are, in order from lowest rating to highest:

Ugh.

Ehh.

Hmm.

Ooh.

Yay!
 

Quatermass

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#82
REVIEW: Equal Rites


I must confess, I never really liked the Witches books, at least compared to the other Discworld books. I don't know why. The type of story just didn't agree with me. And, ironically enough, Equal Rites was, if I remember correctly, the last Discworld book I actually read before I had finally caught up in terms of completing my reading to that date (I was up to Wintersmith, I believe at the time). I didn't think much of it at the time, which is a shame, because objectively, it's a damn good book, despite the flaws.

The eighth son of an eighth son is traditionally a wizard, and dying wizard Drum Billet bequeathes his staff to whom he thinks is the eighth son of an eighth son, the newborn child of a blacksmith in the Ramtops village of Bad Ass. However, the new wizard is actually a girl, an unheard-of thing in the misogynistic world of wizardry, and the opinion of Granny Weatherwax, local witch. Eskarina 'Esk' Smith, caught between the power of wizardry and the common sense of witches, has to find her own path. But will that lead her to Unseen University, entrenched institute of all-male mages? Or will it lead her to the Dungeon Dimensions, whose inhabitants are preparing to ensnare not only Esk, but also the brilliant but perpetually allergic wizard Simon?

My initial assessment of Equal Rites when I first read it was that it was a pretty weak book that showed a proto-Granny Weatherwax. However, since then, with this new reading of Equal Rites, my opinion has changed drastically. Granny Weatherwax does feel a little rough around the edges compared to her later portrayals, but this is definitely her.

It's like Pratchett actually had a major paradigm shift in his writing between The Light Fantastic and Equal Rites. While the story has its problems, it is certainly more engaging than The Light Fantastic and better organised than The Colour of Magic. Rather than concentrate on building his world and his jokes, Pratchett here concentrates on the story and the characters.

The story is not just about gender equality, as to speak about Equal Rites being about gender equality is like saying that the ocean is wet, and I do not feel comfortable commenting on the issues simply because I could get blasted for my ignorance on the topic. However, the fundamental differences between witch magic and wizardry, while making a parallel with the gender issues, is a more intriguing prospect. I am reminded of the later Tiffany Aching books as Weatherwax takes Esk under her wing and teaches her many things before teaching her magic.

Weatherwax, as mentioned before, is a surprisingly complex and well-formed character, even this early in the series (despite the lack of Lancre), and Esk is interesting as a girl caught between two worlds. There is much of Tiffany Aching in her, even if the two girls are ultimately different. Simon is a little less interesting, unfortunately given his pivotal role, and seems like he was inserted to give Esk someone to fight for, but one can see the beginnings of later similar gawky characters, like Mort of the next book, or Ponder Stibbons.

There are a few faults with this story. It's never exactly explained whether the staff has some sort of copy of Drum Billet's intelligence within it, which would explain some of what goes on, and as mentioned earlier, Simon seems to stick out like a sore thumb, seemingly inserted not as a love interest per se, but as pretty much a living MacGuffin. Outside of Weatherwax, Esk, and Simon, the characters aren't really that engaging, with Cutangle being a proto-Ridcully.

Still, Equal Rites surprised me, pleasantly, when I revisited it. If you haven't read it, or re-read it, do so. You may be surprised, pleasantly, yourself.


Special New Utterance Rating Trial: Ooh.

First words: This is a story about magic and where it goes and perhaps more importantly where it comes from and why, although it doesn't pretend to answer all or any of these questions.

Last words: They got it absolutely right and it would probably have had important implications for the universe if it hadn't, next time the University had flooded, been completely washed away.
 

Quatermass

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#83
BTW, in case you are wondering why the reviews were posted so close to each other, I finished most of The Light Fantastic at the Supanova convention, and completed it on the train back. I then read most of Equal Rites for the rest of the train journey. :)
 

poohcarrot

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#84
I still think giving a rating for each book is a pretty pointless exercise. Most people here have read all the books, so know if you're talking bollux or not. :p

Plus, it's only your opinion, and as you think Making Money is a good book, as far as I'm concerned your opinion is worth diddley-squat. :p
 

Tonyblack

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#85
They both make for interesting reads. Oddly enough, I like The Light Fantastic a lot more than The Colour of Magic, but it wouldn't do if we were all the same.

And I agree with you largely on Equal Rites. It's a much better book for a reread. Terry is starting to write in layers in this one. You read the story on top, but there's other stuff going on below. He's also getting away from pure parody in ER. There's still quite a lot of it in Light Fantastic.
 

Quatermass

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#86
poohcarrot said:
I still think giving a rating for each book is a pretty pointless exercise. Most people here have read all the books, so know if you're talking bollux or not. :p

Plus, it's only your opinion, and as you think Making Money is a good book, as far as I'm concerned your opinion is worth diddley-squat. :p
Bollux? Is that a fancy new name for carbolic soap? I use it to wash out my mouth every time I swear. As you can imagine, the inside of my mouth looks like hamburger. And that's also why I put heart-stopping amounts of seasoned salt on my food, because my tongue has only four functioning taste buds left.

This system is less biased than the previous one. While it would have been hard for me to switch to a different numerical system, I had no problems formulating a more categorical system.

And I like Moist von Lipwig. So there. :p
 

Tonyblack

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#87
poohcarrot said:
I still think giving a rating for each book is a pretty pointless exercise. Most people here have read all the books, so know if you're talking bollux or not. :p

Plus, it's only your opinion, and as you think Making Money is a good book, as far as I'm concerned your opinion is worth diddley-squat. :p
But the whole point of this read through of the books is for Q to give his opinion.

This isn't like the discussions where we all chime in. This is one person saying: I have read this book and this is what it meant to me. I don't have a problem with the rating. And I also think Making Money is pants. :p
 

poohcarrot

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#88
So if we aren't meant to chime in with comments, why bother reading any of it? I mean, it's hardly inter-active entertainment, is it? I might as well buy the Daily Mail every day (apart from the fact it isn't sold here :laugh: ) and read people's editorials that I don't agree with and can't comment on. :rolleyes:

Ok, I won't make any more comments until Pyramids. :twisted:
 

Quatermass

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Tonyblack said:
They both make for interesting reads. Oddly enough, I like The Light Fantastic a lot more than The Colour of Magic, but it wouldn't do if we were all the same.

And I agree with you largely on Equal Rites. It's a much better book for a reread. Terry is starting to write in layers in this one. You read the story on top, but there's other stuff going on below. He's also getting away from pure parody in ER. There's still quite a lot of it in Light Fantastic.
Agreed. The Colour of Magic was admittedly shallow, but it didn't pretend otherwise, unlike The Light Fantastic. Re-reading Equal Rites was a revelation, like jumping from a hot sauna into cold water. I think it was after I gave I Shall Wear Midnight such a high score that I seriously considered re-assessing the Witches books. Which is what I'll be doing. Along with the rest of the series, of course. In order.


Tonyblack said:
But the whole point of this read through of the books is for Q to give his opinion.

This isn't like the discussions where we all chime in. This is one person saying: I have read this book and this is what it meant to me. I don't have a problem with the rating. And I also think Making Money is pants. :p
The main reason why I got angry earlier was about my ratings system. If any of you wish to argue against my actual arguments within the body of the review itself, feel free. :)

As for the point of this read-through, it's actually an intellectual exercise, designed to try and shake myself out of complacency, as well as to hone my writing abilities and to keep my mind sharp, or at least not dull. I am reading the Discworld books in order because I haven't done it before. By doing so, I feel that I can get a better sense of how the series evolved. I am doing something similar with Doctor Who, watching my DVDs in order to see how the show evolved. Not to mention watching those stories I actually had on DVD, but never got around to watching before now.

EDIT: And as for Making Money... :twisted: We'll see. WE'LL SEE!

*evil laughter*
 
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Wait wait wait.... Are saying you basically gave MM a good rating because it's a Moist book?
 

Quatermass

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#92
LilMaibe said:
Wait wait wait.... Are saying you basically gave MM a good rating because it's a Moist book?
No. That was just one of the factors involved. I gave it a good rating because I enjoyed reading it, it had some interesting ideas (including Mr Bent, who was saved from being a complete prat by having one of the most unexpected and yet, fitting backstories I've ever seen), and it had Moist surpassing himself unexpectedly.

And I haven't actually given it a proper rating, yet. I just think it's one of the best Discworld novels I've read. :)
 

Jan Van Quirm

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Nov 7, 2008
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#96
Thank the disc gods that GP and MM are well down the list! :rolleyes: I'll have baled by then I suspect as I'm not a huge fan of the 'Industrial Revolution' or the 'Dickensian Drift' which seems a more apt description on our fave and Pterry's obsession with the E word... :twisted:

Liking the phonetic system though - there's a clear distinction between EHH! and OOH! :p
 

deldaisy

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Oct 1, 2010
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#97
Jan Van Quirm said:
Thank the disc gods that GP and MM are well down the list! :rolleyes: I'll have baled by then I suspect as I'm not a huge fan of the 'Industrial Revolution' or the 'Dickensian Drift' which seems a more apt description on our fave and Pterry's obsession with the E word... :twisted:

Liking the phonetic system though - there's a clear distinction between EHH! and OOH! :p


PHONETICS!!!!!! The art of pronouncing a word ....

PH-onetics! o_O

And why does LISP have an S in it? o_O Thats just cruel.
 

deldaisy

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Oct 1, 2010
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#99
No Jan... If you see it spelt Fone.... it means it has a contract attached... that will lock you into two years of massive costs the day before every other FONE contract drops its contractual and call fees by 80%.
 

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