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Quatermass

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Tonyblack said:
I've always liked the bit in the Assassins Guild as well. I had really good hopes for the book when I read that. But I don't hate it or even think it's all that dull. In a way the 'dullness' that's in there reflects Dios's never ending aim to keep everything happening pretty much the same as it was yesterday and a hundred years ago. He's a bit like Albert in that he's got stuck in a groove of every day being pretty much the same.
Actually, Dios is nothing like Albert. Albert at least has personality. And he's afraid of death, whereas Dios is just afraid of anything different, anything that changes. I'm not sure Dios is afraid of death, just afraid of not being there to keep Djelibeybi on its course of stagnation. Albert may be a prick, but he's at least interesting.

I feel that Pyramids could have been better if it took Teppic, and did something about inter-Guild rivalry, rather like rivalry between schools or colleges. They did something a bit like that in Unseen Academicals, albeit only a little, but Pratchett could have had a lot of mileage out of the weird crap apprentices used to do in the past.

Tonyblack said:
The bits in Ephebe with the philosophers is quite interesting, but, as you say, reminiscent of the philosophers in Small Gods.
The discussion of Xeno/Zeno's Paradox is intriguing, yes, but it gets old pretty quickly. And that Listener concept seemed a bit like the Argument Clinic from Monty Python.

Tonyblack said:
I don't hate the book or even dislike it, I just don't see why some people rate it so highly.

Another interesting review, Q. :laugh:
Thanks. Pyramids had interesting bits in it, but it was ultimately drier than most mummies, and about as vital.
 

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I know Pooh will kick me but i have to agree with you Q.
I found parts of Pyramids very good but as a whole it just doesn't have enough. Some of it seems recycled and it never quite hits the excitement level of the better books.
Quite like the idea of going deeper into the guild politics or even the pirate thing but sadly didn't.
I still enjoyed the book , a weak discworld book is still a good book, but it trails Terry's best.
 

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My connection between Albert and Dios was because they had both lived humdrum lives for an incredible number of years rather than dying. I agree they are different people with different motivations, but they do have that in common.

Dois is almost like the old bloke in work who is due for retirement and is convinced that the place cannot function without him. I've worked with people who, when instructed to train someone on their job, would deliberately hold back on giving them the full training. They didn't want to think that someone could just walk in and take over their job. :rolleyes:
 

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poohcarrot said:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Are you sure you're talking about the book that was the British Science Fiction Award winner in 1989? o_O

Mad as a mongoose! :laugh:
I'm sorry, but has there been studies into the sanity of the genus Herpestidae?

As for that, well, 1989 was not the best year for British science fiction. Pyramids was mediocre. Not actually abysmal, except by Discworld standards, but I would give it 6.5/10 on my personal numerical score relating to all books. That means that it scored as highly as Twilight. Think about that.

pip said:
I thought that was the sanest Q has sounded. :laugh:
Thank you. I have my moments of lucidity. :)
 

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pip said:
I know Pooh will kick me but i have to agree with you Q.
I found parts of Pyramids very good but as a whole it just doesn't have enough. Some of it seems recycled and it never quite hits the excitement level of the better books.
Quite like the idea of going deeper into the guild politics or even the pirate thing but sadly didn't.
I still enjoyed the book , a weak discworld book is still a good book, but it trails Terry's best.
It was pretty mediocre for the most part. It says something about the book when I would have given it the same score as Twilight.

Tonyblack said:
My connection between Albert and Dios was because they had both lived humdrum lives for an incredible number of years rather than dying. I agree they are different people with different motivations, but they do have that in common.

Dois is almost like the old bloke in work who is due for retirement and is convinced that the place cannot function without him. I've worked with people who, when instructed to train someone on their job, would deliberately hold back on giving them the full training. They didn't want to think that someone could just walk in and take over their job. :rolleyes:
I'm not sure Dios is even that. He's not so much an old bloke resisting retirement (I'd say Colon'd be closer to that, if I remember vaguely one or two sequences in the Watch books) than he is an embodiment of what (he thinks) Djelibeybi should be. The fact that he only exists because of a wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey ontological paradox only strengthens this view. He's not a person, not even quite a character. He just is. There are ways you can get away with that, but, unfortunately, Terry didn't manage to. A shame, really, because if he had more personality than a boulder, that would have saved Pyramids from mediocrity. Unfortunately, as the old adage goes, a hero is defined by their enemies, and Teppic is cheapened by having a decrepit living paradox/stangant old man as an adversary.
 

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Quatermass said:
It was pretty mediocre for the most part. It says something about the book when I would have given it the same score as Twilight.
You read twilight.
:eek:

I knew to keep well away from that and i love vampire books
 

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More likely a distant cousin, but yes :laugh:

You can tell by the way the word ends that it's a family name. So I don't actually know the names of all families (that would be smart).
 

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Dotsie said:
Quatermass said:
I'm sorry, but has there been studies into the sanity of the genus Herpestidae?
I thought Herpestidae was the family, not the genus.
pip said:
Dotsie is correct here. Herpestidae is the family with multiple genera including the Meerkat :laugh:
....

Well, f***. And I have done biology. I thought it said 'genus', not 'family'.

Bugger.

pip said:
Quatermass said:
It was pretty mediocre for the most part. It says something about the book when I would have given it the same score as Twilight.
You read twilight.
:eek:

I knew to keep well away from that and i love vampire books
Willem said:
I see your 'You read twilight.' and raise you 'and you gave it a 6.5?!' :eek: :eek:
It had just enough entertainment value to ascend from 'abysmal' to 'mediocre'. I did it basically to see if I could make it through a book that was said to be bad. It wasn't bad as much as mediocre with disturbing implications and too much purple prose. Its popularity with any other age group than teenage school girls is inexplicable.

6.5/10 means 'mediocre'. Pretty much anything below 5/10 means 'badly lacking in entertainment value'. And we had this conversation before. It's a not dissimilar scale to IGN and many video games magazine review scores.

By contrast, and of interest to Pip, I gave Let the Right One In 9/10. In restrospect, I should have given it 9.5/10. It was partly the squick factor that prevented it from getting a higher score.
 

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By contrast, and of interest to Pip, I gave Let the Right One In 9/10. In restrospect, I should have given it 9.5/10. It was partly the squick factor that prevented it from getting a higher score.
Let the right one in is a bloody good book and suprisingly well translated from swedish. Up there with Anne Rice at her best. :laugh:
 

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pip said:
Quatermass said:
By contrast, and of interest to Pip, I gave Let the Right One In 9/10. In restrospect, I should have given it 9.5/10. It was partly the squick factor that prevented it from getting a higher score.
Let the right one in is a bloody good book and suprisingly well translated from swedish. Up there with Anne Rice at her best. :laugh:
Yeah, well, I'm not that much of a vampire fiction person. One year ago, if you asked me what the epitome of vampire literature that I have ever read, and it would have been the Doctor Who Missing Adventure Goth Opera, by Paul Cornell.



I also read Dracula all the way through recently. Gave that one 9/10, I think, or 8.5/10.
 

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Dracula is a good book written in a very interesting way.
We irish know how to right a decent vampire book. Sheridan Le Fanu's Carmilla in the horror short story book 'In a Glass Darkly' is really good as well . Written in the 1870's about a lesbian vampire in central europe its quite interesting. :laugh:
 

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Quatermass said:
As for that, well, 1989 was not the best year for British science fiction. Pyramids was mediocre. Not actually abysmal, except by Discworld standards, but I would give it 6.5/10 on my personal numerical score relating to all books. That means that it scored as highly as Twilight. Think about that.
You actually liked Making Money :eek: , a year ago the best vampire book you'd ever read was "Doctor Who and the Vampires from Mars" :eek: , and you rate Pyramids as good as Twilight? :eek:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

And have you really studied biology? :laugh: :laugh:

Remind me never to look at this thread again, you're completely bonkers. :rolleyes:
 

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poohcarrot said:
And have you really studied biology? :laugh: :laugh:
Health sciences, actually, but I have done one major subject in biology.

poohcarrot said:
Remind me never to look at this thread again, you're completely bonkers. :rolleyes:
And you call Goth Opera a stupid name like Vampires from Mars, and you think I am bonkers? Oh well. Better to be insane than inane. Though for you, inane would be an improvement. :rolleyes:
 

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