SPOILERS Disturbing Trend in UA and Snuff: **Major Spoilers**

[Anonymous]

-Why not kill everyone and invade Poland?-

Remember the full quote and its context, folks?

Yeah, it was about assassinating a dictator: nothing to do with street justice.

Actually it was about people thinking they know what's best for everyone and acting accourdingly.

 

[high eight]

Like? No.
Wanted to reach into the book and tell him at the end of the game that she shall frigging forget about 'magic' and that the wizards outright cheated? Yep.

Erm... I'm not sure what you mean by most of that statement. Cheated? "The ball shall be called the ball"

As for the scene, if it'd been the next day and we'd learn that Pepe got word that Andy did not learn his lesson from what happened after the game, the actions ould be ok.

It would have made a concise, to the point scene unwieldy and removed most of the point.

But like that? Look at the text. Andy is furious at Pepe and the only thing stopping him from chasing after his attacker is that lemon.
He is not scared, he's likely even more furious now.

Thats not how I read it

And if he can't find pepe he'll take it out at people who either are close to pepe or who are just there...(latter is even more likely)

And Pepe will kill him

You say you've been on the receiving end?
Never been the target cause that f'cktard got in trouble with his parents for damaging the car?

I don't understand that statement either.

I have been bullied. I was bullied at school by other pupils and teachers (who both thought that I was a smartarse and "too clever for my own good"). I was also bullied at work, though that was more mental cruelty.

Would I have let a "Pepe" loose on them? If I had known someone like him (Who wasn't doing it to me), Yes most certainly. In fact I'd have put the boot in myself a few times - once they were safely down and semi-conscious.

 

[Anonymous]

I have been bullied too, just in case you may think I 'don't get it cause i've never been there'.

And still I see what Pepe did as false.
If it would have been Carter finally growing a pair, then, yes, it would have been bordering awesome.

As for the cheating.
Well, maybe it wasn't intentionally, but it doesn't take much to construct something out of the facts that of all rules the wizards kept that (and a few others we never here about because they are apparently not important) one in, a servant to the wizards carrying a jersey for Trevor, who has some reputation of being incredible at kicking the can, AND an empty tin can in her back and that the ball goes missing almost directly after trevor entered the game, is replaced by said tin can that was brought along by the servant to the wizards and AM United not being given a chance to actually adjust to the new 'ball'

Really, it does not take much.


EDIT: BTW, I think an even more unsettling trend is the combination of feces and sex in the past few books.

A scene from Thud everyone remembers (and I, who haven't it read yet constantly stumble over) is Angua and Sally ('twas sally, wasn't it) naked in the sewers.
In Making Money we get this whole sextoy/S&M stuff and Harry King in a sorta major role that fulfills actually no purpose that would have required someone who's business is, well, sh*t.
UA is a bit more subtle about it, but when I see a toilet IN a bed (no matter how sleepy/lazy one is, there's a gaping difference to a simple chamberpot), some of the picked, longwinded 'insults' centering around sh*t and all these pretty flat, but present sex-jokes (not to mention the absolut unnecessary information that lady margolotta (most likely her) now has a rubber-fetish-dress) sum up to the same.
Can't speak for Snuff yet, but from what I do know about it so far... The same sh*t again.

THAT is unsettling.
Not saying that 'literature has to be kept clean', hell no, it's just the amount of it and scenes that seem to be soley there for the lines about one of both.

 

[BaldJean]

I have been bullied too, just in case you may think I 'don't get it cause i've never been there'.

And still I see what Pepe did as false.
If it would have been Carter finally growing a pair, then, yes, it would have been bordering awesome.

As for the cheating.
Well, maybe it wasn't intentionally, but it doesn't take much to construct something out of the facts that of all rules the wizards kept that (and a few others we never here about because they are apparently not important) one in, a servant to the wizards carrying a jersey for Trevor, who has some reputation of being incredible at kicking the can, AND an empty tin can in her back and that the ball goes missing almost directly after trevor entered the game, is replaced by said tin can that was brought along by the servant to the wizards and AM United not being given a chance to actually adjust to the new 'ball'

Really, it does not take much.


EDIT: BTW, I think an even more unsettling trend is the combination of feces and sex in the past few books.

A scene from Thud everyone remembers (and I, who haven't it read yet constantly stumble over) is Angua and Sally ('twas sally, wasn't it) naked in the sewers.
In Making Money we get this whole sextoy/S&M stuff and Harry King in a sorta major role that fulfills actually no purpose that would have required someone who's business is, well, sh*t.
UA is a bit more subtle about it, but when I see a toilet IN a bed (no matter how sleepy/lazy one is, there's a gaping difference to a simple chamberpot), some of the picked, longwinded 'insults' centering around sh*t and all these pretty flat, but present sex-jokes (not to mention the absolut unnecessary information that lady margolotta (most likely her) now has a rubber-fetish-dress) sum up to the same.
Can't speak for Snuff yet, but from what I do know about it so far... The same sh*t again.

THAT is unsettling.
Not saying that 'literature has to be kept clean', hell no, it's just the amount of it and scenes that seem to be soley there for the lines about one of both.

What exactly are you complaining about? I am rather glad Terry does not keep the novels "clean". Life is not clean; just take a look around you. I would rather be worried if Pratchett kept stuff like that entirely out of his novels.
The naked scene with Angua and Sally makes absolute sense for the course of the novel. They have to get along with each other, and here they are, without any disguise, and have to do it. Angua even attempts to attack Sally at first, though she tries to stop her attack midway. Yes, there are erotic undertones in that situation, but what exactly is wrong with that? The brooding conflict between Angua and Sally is one of the major factors of "Thud!", and this scene absolutely fits in.

 

[chris.ph]

nanny ogg has been a dirty old mare since she stuck her head out of the long mans barrow, so how can you say its only been in the last few books, rincewind used to dream of naked women islanders, i could go on, sex and the undercurrents of sex has always been part of the discworld

 

[Anonymous]

Because there is a difference.
Remember the quote about erotic and kinky?
There's a clear line that has been crossed.

As said, I am fully aware the topics have been there before, but never as prominent as recently.

My fault might be that I tend to judge fictional stories for the big picture, not for who came up with them.
If you like a story, no matter what's in it, for the author, I'm fine with that.
But allow me the freedom to voice my opinion, will you?

 

[chris.ph]

i am, but im allowed mine as well

 

[Anonymous]

i am, but im allowed mine as well

Of course.
And apologies for being cranky, it is just something that bothers me to no end.
I'm like that, I can't sit still till I got my answers.

 

[BaldJean]

Because there is a difference.
Remember the quote about erotic and kinky?
There's a clear line that has been crossed.

As said, I am fully aware the topics have been there before, but never as prominent as recently.

My fault might be that I tend to judge fictional stories for the big picture, not for who came up with them.
If you like a story, no matter what's in it, for the author, I'm fine with that.
But allow me the freedom to voice my opinion, will you?

The "clear line between erotic and kinky" only exists in your head. Who has the authority to define such a line? No-one. According to your standards I am most probably "kinky" too. Well, I don't give a damn, to be honest.
With the standards you have a lot of books which are seen as world literature by most people will be "kinky". "Die Blechtrommel" by Günther Grass, for example. "Gravity's Rainbow" by Thomas Pynchon. Probably even "Ulysses" by James Joyce.

 

[Anonymous]

You don't even know the quote I'm talking about, do you?

 

[BaldJean]

No, but please give it to me. I don't think it will make any difference though; any quote that tries to draw a line between "normal" and "kinky" will most probably be ridiculed by me.

 

[chris.ph]

there is one about using a feather is kinky but using the whole chicken is perverted but i dont think it was in pratchett more like forum

 

[BaldJean]

there is one about using a feather is kinky but using the whole chicken is perverted but i dont think it was in pratchett more like forum

I knew that one.

 

[chris.ph]

 

[Anonymous]

It's in Eric.

I feel a bit Hipster now, seeing I seem to be one of the few persons who read that :x

 

[BaldJean]

I read "Eric", but I don't remember any quote about normal and kinky.

 

[BaldJean]

I just read "Eric" again, and I have no idea which quote you are referring to.

 

[Anonymous]

It's pretty early, when we see how the Librarian is dealing with the heat

 

[BaldJean]

So you also mean the "feather and chicken" quote? I thought you meant something else.

That is not the usual definition for "kinky" though. The usual definition goes: "What I do is normal, what others do is kinky". It is the same as "Other people are pigheaded, I have firm opinions" or "Other people are greedy, I want to make a living". There are dozens of quotes like that. Actually the "feather and chicken" quote of course implies "I use the feather, of course".

 

[Anonymous]

True, true.

What I was heading for was more the, well, shift and I got reminded of the quote.
Yes, people's opinion on such topics vary and what made me 'wonder' is the actual increase of the combination of sex and scatalogical themes.
As said, nothing against fiction being 'unclean', but also everything in limits.
It's just rather bothersome that scenes like that are in the novel but actually fulfill no real purpose (again, can't speak for Thud or Snuff here, but for example in Making Money this whole fetish sex stuff and Harry King seemed...out of place and pretty pointless)