SPOILERS Disturbing Trend in UA and Snuff: **Major Spoilers**
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i begin to feel you and jean have made concrete unbreakable decisions on what is going on in the books off screen as you will. you have decided the ladies in MR are not lesbian and the watch girls are with absolutely no evidence anyone else can see beyon your own hope.all opinions and interpretations are allowed but you girls seem to be quoting eachothers word as gospel telling others they are wrong. i don' t agree with the gospel according to the bald angels nor does lilmaibe but i think we should relax the discussion a teeny bit before full on rows erupt. you seem unbendable in your reading of hidden meanings but surely that is up for debate rather than shouting others down
Nonsense. It is not the shoe-size remark, it is Angua's reaction to it. And I am certainly not saying Angua and Sally already have the hot pants for each other; there is too much in the way yet. I see it as a possibility only because of the way their relationship is similar to the relationship of Humphrey Bogart and Katherine Hepburn in "African Queen" or many other movies like that, where the two main protagonists are fighting all the time, but somehow after all the fighting it ends in a romantic relationship. And I see the same pattern with Angua and Sally.
Ah. Then, by your logic, Felix and Oscar from the "The Odd Couple" were closet homosexuals just because they bantered about like a married couple.
All of these "bromance" movies are all about un-outed homosexuals.
But wait--they can't be gay, because they haven't sex together, according to your definition.
What happens if two older men or women who have believed they were heterosexuals all their lives finally realize late in life that they really love each other, and want to share their lives together as a couple, but they no longer have an interest in sex? Would you deny them the right to call themselves homosexuals or lesbians?
We really don't know what Tonker and Lofty do off-screen. They may have been abused and physically and emotionally damaged, but we don't know if they're having or have had a sexual relationship. Not that anyone wants to resort to labels, but given that theirs appears to be a monogamous, loving relationship, why does the fact that no one has seen or heard them have sex make them unqualified to call themselves lesbians, should they so choose to?
- it is one of my main objections to the "genre"
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eight, as said, please read my stuff before you judge me.
Here's one of my finished ones.
And what is so unbelievable prudish about saying
'it's unsettling that in the recent books sex and scat seem to get put into the story soley to have them in there' ?
(And please note the 'seem' )
And two things:
1. I'm female, thank you very much.
2. Are you trying to say that 'true and good fans' should never ever think about what they read, not form an opinion of something and never, gods beware, come up with theories as to how things are connected, etc?
Here's one of my finished ones.
And what is so unbelievable prudish about saying
'it's unsettling that in the recent books sex and scat seem to get put into the story soley to have them in there' ?
(And please note the 'seem' )
And two things:
1. I'm female, thank you very much.
2. Are you trying to say that 'true and good fans' should never ever think about what they read, not form an opinion of something and never, gods beware, come up with theories as to how things are connected, etc?
While i gave out about certain people making there mind up on the book before it was even published got to agree with you. Eight surely we're no supposed to accept that everything will be perfect and to break from this is a sin against Pratchettdom.
I liked UA a bit and Snuff a bit more while LilMaibe didn't . Both valid opinions and i'll respect hers (sorry to say i thought you were a guy too , sorry mate). Her fan fic actually isn't bad at all eight.
Best not judge before trying
I liked UA a bit and Snuff a bit more while LilMaibe didn't . Both valid opinions and i'll respect hers (sorry to say i thought you were a guy too , sorry mate). Her fan fic actually isn't bad at all eight.
Best not judge before trying
About the "Lofty and Tonker" debate: The relationship between Lofty and Tonker is quite similar to the relationship of the two main protagonists in "Thelma and Louise"; it is pretty obvious Pratchett used them as role models for Tonker and Lofty; Pratchett even uses the same initials. Now was there a sexual relationship between Thelma and Louise?
A non-platonic relationship between Lofty and Tonker is implied by the author. The conversation between Maladicta and wosshername definitely tells us, without using a mallet, that they are a couple. Whether or not they are having sex is irrelevant - they are still very young and these things come with time.
As for "broken", they set fire to the orphanage. They're not broken, just bashed. And, literature has other cases of apparently broken people having loving sexual relationships afterwards (such as The Colour Purple).
Suggesting that Thelma and Louise might therefore be considered lesbians is a bit silly.
As for "broken", they set fire to the orphanage. They're not broken, just bashed. And, literature has other cases of apparently broken people having loving sexual relationships afterwards (such as The Colour Purple).
Suggesting that Thelma and Louise might therefore be considered lesbians is a bit silly.
