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Quatermass

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The Mad Collector said:
I'm also a little worried about this weekends episode, the Daleks are overused although that was probably also a valid critique of what is now known as classic Doctor Who. What worries me more however is what will be this series "reappearing after a long interlude classic monster". Frankly we've had most of the really good ones and one or two of the rubbish ones; The Great Intelligence being a good example. Please let us not have Quarks, Dominators, Dracorians, Mandrels or Stigorax to name just a few and definitely not The Kandyman or even worse Zarbi and Menoptra. :eek:
I hope you're not counting the Great Intelligence as one of the rubbish ones. And don't you mean 'Draconians'? Those were Jon Pertwee's favourite aliens. I'd be more inclined to rubbish the Ogrons, myself. :|

As for the Kandyman, I loved The Happiness Patrol, and the Kandyman, though he could have been realised slightly better, was nonetheless a pretty damned good villain (a childish, petulant robot made of sweets has to be entertaining at least). And as for the Dominators, they were probably the most interesting characters in The Dominators (debatably the worst surviving Troughton story). Though to be fair, they didn't have much in the way of competition, even when including the Quarks. They were admittedly stupidly vicious and monolithic, but they were at least more interesting than the Quarks and Dulcians (or rather, the Dull-cians...). :rolleyes:

Most of what can be called the dull or rubbish monsters have potential to be better realised. Look at, for example, the Tractators from Frontios. The main thing wrong was the costumes (or rather, the lack of flexibility: they were originally intended to curl up into balls, like pillbugs and the like). As monsters, they are brilliant. Gravity control, using the dead as excavating machines (there's even a macabre detail in the novelisation, presumably originally intended for the show, where a corpse's head is used as part of a translation machine for the Gravis, the leader of the Tractators).

I've also read and listened to stories where monsters that were rubbish were made into actual menaces. The Nimon were made better in the audio story Seasons of Fear, the Vardans were actually turned into fairly nasty and competent villains in the novel No Future (although they are also mocked as being outwitted by the Sontarans), and that novel was part of a story arc that made the frigging Meddling Monk into a force to be reckoned with (he also had an acclaimed revival in the audios, played by Graeme Garden). And then, there's the Mechanoids, funnily enough re-created by Davros in The Juggernauts. And finally, the Sontarans actually get a chance to show off how good their military ability can be in Starlight Robbery.

A returning obscure monster isn't automatically a bad thing, even when the monster was rubbish in the first appearance. What matters is how it's handled. The Macra appearing in Gridlock, for example, was a nice, but frankly superfluous touch. Any big vicious monster could've done. I would love to see a Macra story where they're back to being the intelligent manipulators they were in The Macra Terror.

But yes, you're right about the Daleks being overused in the classic series. It wouldn't be so bad if the stories were good, but frankly, and ironically, just about every Dalek story in the 70s, barring Genesis of the Daleks, is average at best. In fact, most of the Terry Nation-written stories about the Daleks, ironically, are average at best.

Tonyblack said:
Penfold said:
I wouldn't say no to the return of the Sea Devils. :laugh:
I was once talking to a guy who played a Sea Devil. They had a lot of waiting around in between takes and someone had laid on beer for them. They were all pished by the time they finished. :laugh:
:laugh:

Anecdotes aside, I'm not sure whether they'll bring back the Sea Devils. They've already brought back the Silurians, that's all the prehistoric reptile beings needed.
 
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:laugh: Drunk Sea Devils. I can imagine them having 'warm spot' competitions in the sea.

They've got 2 for 1 deals on old Dr Who's at JB Hi-Fi. My daughter has bought a few, we watched The Green Death the other day. Cracking bit of telly.
 

Quatermass

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Sister Jennifer said:
:laugh: Drunk Sea Devils. I can imagine them having 'warm spot' competitions in the sea.
:scared-yipes:

Do. Not. Want.

Seriously, Sister Jennifer, I did not need that mental image.

Then again, I'm sure the same thing could be said about the Fourth Doctor blowing into Erato's...'proboscis', shall we say, in The Creature from the Pit. :rolleyes:

Speaking of DVDs and Blu-Rays, I'm hurriedly saving up for the 50th anniversary boxset. It includes The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot. :laugh:
 

Quatermass

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Jack Remillard said:
How about the Drashigs? :laugh:

A CGI Drashig would be terrifying if done right!

Actually, funny story. You know that distinctive scream the Drashigs emit? That's actually, if I recall, the sound of a car's tyres screeching, slowed down and modulated appropriately.

On another note, apparently Big Finish have dismissed one of their cover designers, Damien May. Apparently, May had been dissing Ian Levine on Twitter. For those of you not in the know, Ian Levine is basically the Doctor Who superfan. Now, Levine is, frankly, full of himself, petulant and immature, but apparently he's recently had a stroke, and May decided to make out that Levine is an oxygen thief, amongst other remarks. I dunno whether those tweets were deleted, but even so, it's a dick move. Levine may be full of himself, and I've lost a lot of respect for him after he had a rather public fight with Philip Morris (the guy who found the missing episodes last year), but he's also done a lot for the fandom over the years. He certainly helped find many of the missing episodes in the Eighties. I wouldn't send him any get well soon cards or anything, but neither would I kick him while he's down.
 

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Who's Wee Dug said:
A magnified version of a tapeworm o_O:
No, a Drashig. Think homicidal omnivorous giant screaming swamp serpent. Capable of even eating a spaceship. Seriously, when they are discussed in Carnival of Monsters, Vorg claims that an expedition to the Drashig's homeworld was lost, and the only thing that the Drashigs didn't eat were parts of the spaceship's reactor.
 

Quatermass

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I'm still witholding judgement on the Twelfth Doctor, but I enjoyed Into the Dalek. It had a mildly original premise for a Dalek story, and a good examination of morality. Interesting introduction for Danny Pink, too. I thought he'd be a bit more comic relief, like how Mickey or Rory were introduced, but he seems to have quite a bit of promising pathos.

Even so, I have to confess, I found it hard giving a crap for any of the human soldiers, and the Doctor had one particularly callous moment early on that gave me pause for thought. His logic for that incident was sound, but even so, it left a bad taste, and I'm still witholding judgement on him.
 

Jack Remillard

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Quatermass said:
Even so, I have to confess, I found it hard giving a crap for any of the human soldiers, and the Doctor had one particularly callous moment early on that gave me pause for thought. His logic for that incident was sound, but even so, it left a bad taste, and I'm still witholding judgement on him.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm hoping that he will become a little more 'human' over time. I do like his spikiness to an extent, but a bit more compassion on display would be good.

Still, it was a good episode.
 

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one thing has been getting to me about the new teaser ad
the one with the doctor sitting on top of the TARDIS

isn't there a light on top of the tardis
 

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