Chris.ph.....thanks for the welcome, from what you wrote I have deduced that you live in Wales, somewhere down the bottom end of the Neath valley from your accent, I live near Merthyr Tidfil, little place called Pontlottyn. Terry used to be a friend of ours, well actually, we have never fallen out, so I suppose it is fair to say that Terry is a personal friend of ours but we have not seen him for a while. Our daughters went to school with his daughter and he used to come to our house cos we both had an interest in electronics, but this was when he worked for the CEGB. Terry and I bought our first computers in the same week!!!