Mark Reads Discworld

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=Tamar

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Now that he's begun Moving Pictures, it's going to be interesting in a different way. Mark has worked in Hollywood and he has already realized he's going to have a comment for almost every sentence if he doesn't hold back. I'm just wondering how many of the allusions to really old movies he's going to get.

I read somewhere that someone once had over 30 pages of allusions they'd found in MP. I wonder, was that list ever posted anywhere?
 

=Tamar

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The APF hasn't been updated for years. Some other annotations are on the Discworld wiki, but no single site has them all. (Whether or not one site could have them all is another question.)
 

=Tamar

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Recent life situation changes may force Mark to put his videos behind a paywall. If so, I won't be seeing them. I assume the reviews will still be free. I'm hoping the Patreon setup will provide enough income so that the videos can continue to be free, as his reading continues to be entertaining.
 

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DaveC said:
I'm of 2 minds I watch every week on the dot all the Discworld videos in a go. But I don't have the issues with YouTube that others seem to have. I made a comment about trying a different upload spec but not sure he saw it.
Sunday's YouTube uploads are something of a highlight for me. I also look forward to the posts on his site and his comments. I think I'd be happy enough to pay and see them (depending on price) but that would only be for the Discworld series. I'd also consider commissioning a reading.
 

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I'd love to commission him, but it's not within my budget at the moment, so if he needs to do a paywall I unfortunately won't be able to continue following him either. :(
 

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I apologize for the double post, but I'm listening to him read Moving Pictures at the moment, and I had a question.

Does it bother anyone that he censors the word "bitch?" He censored something he says is "a racial slur for a flamenco dancer" which I didn't really look into, but there's a small running gag in MP calling people (especially Gaspode) a son of a bitch, and each time he comes to it he says something like "b-word" or "that word." Once or twice I didn't really mind, but it's popped up a few times throughout that section of the novel and it's starting to disrupt the story for me.

I understand not liking to say certain words, but I feel as though it doesn't come off as offensive when it's said within the context of a story being read. Cutting them out makes the narrative feel disjointed and the jokes in the novel suffer as a consequence. It also breaks the suspension of disbelief that comes with reading a story when the narrator breaks what's actually been written. I love Mark's reactions to the narrative, especially because I've read these books before and I know what's coming, it adds another level of humor to the story when he falls straight into a joke or pun. But to cut words out feels the same as cutting up the story itself, and I feel it takes away from the point of actually reading them for people to listen to.

Afterthought: I suppose another part of why it bothers me a bit is because he's so liberal with swearing in his reactions to the text, but specifically the word "bitch" is censored. Especially when it's relatively small compared to the other swears he uses.
 

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It bothered me a bit, but not much. I don't think he always "gets" Terry's humour. I have seen him take offence at a comment a character has made. He doesn't seem to realise that you don't have to be racist to write a racist character.
 

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Tonyblack said:
It bothered me a bit, but not much. I don't think he always "gets" Terry's humour. I have seen him take offence at a comment a character has made. He doesn't seem to realise that you don't have to be racist to write a racist character.
Right! Absolutely. In fact, I've written a few short stories that deal with racism, and one of the more recent stories has a character who is extremely racist (to the point of using racist insults about various groups - blacks, Jews and so on). Naturally, this character quickly gets his comeuppance.

Personally, I couldn't be less racist if I tried. In fact, being Jewish myself, I've been the victim of racial intolerance more than once - so I'm very sensitive to how it can affect people, being very controversial, but that's no reason to shy away from the issue.

You see, I've come to the realisation that if I - as a budding author - wish to show racial intolerance as it really is, and not as the PC police would wish it to be shown, then I must extend the courtesy of portrayal even to the vilest of racists - whatever I may think of them. To do anything less would make "freedom of expression" nothing more than an empty phrase, like "at the end of the day".

I hope this makes sense... and apologies for digressing. :oops:
 

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One of the most casually racist characters in Discworld is Fred Colon. He doesn't even realise he's being racist. Terry uses that to show how ridiculous his attitude is.
 
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Tonyblack said:
One of the most casually racist characters in Discworld is Fred Colon. He doesn't even realise he's being racist. Terry uses that to show how ridiculous his attitude is.
:laugh: I remember that scene from Jingo, where Vimes takes Colon aside to explain to him why terms like "towelhead" are not diplomatic, and then Colon's discussion with Nobby afterwards about the importance of names. The thing is, Pratchett still makes Colon a likeable guy without condoning what he does. That's no small feat, considering Colon is essentially an idiot know-nothing-know-it-all coward with surprisingly bigoted views of other races and species.

What I find distracting, though, is how Pratchett's attitude towards the "racist" jokes changes as the books go on. In Witches Abroad, there's a whole extended scene that relies on dwarves caring more about gold than about other dwarves, whereas the same point becomes an issue of contention in The Truth, where Goodmountain uses belief in it as an example of how prejudiced humans are towards dwarves. More broadly, I remember a footnote in one of the earlier books about "black joining up with white to gang up on green", which was basically a throwaway cynical joke, and yet it becomes more seriously treated when it reappears later as the theme of an entire book in Jingo.

You get the impression he was a little bolder with his jokes early on, playing with the topic before fully digesting it. :think:
 

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