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Jan 1, 2010
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rockershovel said:
Doughnut Jimmy said:
The place the witches pass through with "the thing with the bulls" is clearly a reference to Pamplona (?sp) in Spain


I think people have already said Lancre has elements of both rural England and alpine areas, eg: Switzerland with the "Lancre knife"
also Appalachia, in some ways
I've never heard of that as a distinctive region until this thread - what exactly are the parrallels to Lancre?
 

Tonyblack

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#22
Doughnut Jimmy said:
rockershovel said:
Doughnut Jimmy said:
The place the witches pass through with "the thing with the bulls" is clearly a reference to Pamplona (?sp) in Spain


I think people have already said Lancre has elements of both rural England and alpine areas, eg: Switzerland with the "Lancre knife"
also Appalachia, in some ways
I've never heard of that as a distinctive region until this thread - what exactly are the parrallels to Lancre?
It's a very mountainous area that was settled (amongst others) by Scots and Irish). Because of its geography, vast areas were undeveloped and 'timeless'.

Interestingly, loads of British folk songs, that had completely disappeared in Britain, were discovered to still be 'alive' in this area.

I don't know if you ever saw Cold Mountain? That was set there. ;)
 

rockershovel

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#23
Appalachia is a mountain range and surrounding area in the US, best summed up as hillbilly country and particularly associated with banjo-playing albinos in another well-known film ....
 

captainmeme

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Hmmm... Krull.... Could there be a country resembling it? It would have to be one that liked astronomy....

Also, Mouldavia is probably meant to be part of the Balkans as well. There's a load of minature countries near Uberwald; if you watch the Sky version of 'Going Postal' when Reacher Gilt brings out the poster displaying the new Mobile Clacks, you can see a load more names of countries around that area on the poster (most of which, I think, are not mentioned in the book).
 

Antiq

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I have just finished reading The Last Continent :) So beyond awesome!
I would really love to see him write something with an Irish connection, although I believe he did mention somewhere that Ankh-Morpork was somewhat based on Dublin.
 

rockershovel

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personally, I'm not that keen on Last Continent. Some of the parody countries work better than others, and some overly distort the story for the sake of the joke.. Carpe Jugulum is like that, to me. Thief of Time seems to become increasingly tangled up in its own ramifications. Each to his own.


You have to bear in mind that a lot of TP's jokes are just that, jokes. There are quite a lot of things which have been changed over time, simply for the sake of the joke - the Four Horsemen are like this, especially War. Death in CoM is quite different from his later incarnation, as is what actually happens to the souls of the dead - this last is particularly variable for the sake of the plot. Some walk the desert, some don't; some are reincarnated, some aren't; some simply fade away while the "ghost ship" certainly doesn't.


Hrun and The Weasel are basically parodies of established characters, while Cohen ( apart from the name ) is a distinct new character with a rather good, and quite original joke of his own about " a lifetime in his own legend"

The Nac Mac Feegle are a one-joke idea, with their Rab C Nesbitt accents, kilts and tattoos ( = Pictsies )

and so on, and so on.
 

Teppic

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The point about death (with a small d) is people go to where they believe they'll go to - this is mentioned in one book I think. So the Omnians walk around the desert, the sailors stay on a ghost ship, others are reincarnated. I don't think it's that inconsistent.
 

The Mad Collector

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#32
Teppic said:
The point about death (with a small d) is people go to where they believe they'll go to - this is mentioned in one book I think. So the Omnians walk around the desert, the sailors stay on a ghost ship, others are reincarnated. I don't think it's that inconsistent.
I agree, this is a good example where the inconsitencies are actually internally consistent.
 

rockershovel

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that's true.. and Miss Flitwick does not, initially, realise that she is dead and literally "dancing with death" at the harvest dance.

doesn't one of the female characters revert to a younger incarnation, that being the age she feels herself to be "inside"?
 

rockershovel

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checking back, Miss Flitwick's shade is taken back to her youth and reunited with the shade of her fiancee, who has been killed in an avalanche during a smuggling trip.
 

Grumpy

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captainmeme said:
I've been thinking about the countries in the Discworld, and how they link to our own, and I saw that most of the Disc countries have a parallel one here, or a religion, or region, etc. Let me show you:

XXXX is Australia. (obvious)
Agetean Empire is China/Japan. (also obvious)
Djelibebi is Egypt. (obviouser)
Omnia seems to be Catholicism in the Middle Ages.
Ephebe is Greece, and therefore Tsort is Troy.
The Ramtops seem to be Tibet, or somewhere in the Himalayas.
Klatch is a bit like Arabia, or the Islamic religion on the whole.
Uberwald may be Romania, or somewhere near, possibly Transylvania.
Borogravia and Zlobenia are part of a large amount of small countries, possibly the Stans? (Uzbakistan, Afganistan etc.) I dont really know that one.
Ankh-Morpork is the Medieval representation of New York.
Quirm is France.
Genua is self-explanatory.

One thing I am stuck on; what are the cities on the Sto Plain? Sto Lat and the others. I thought they may be Italy, because it is a lot of city states, as was Italy in the middle ages, but I'm not sure. Anyone think they know?

If you do see one I've got wrong or missed out, please comment.
Think you've got it pretty much nailed, although I'm not sure about Borogravia and Zlobenia being part of the "stans". But there again, I don't know what else they could be really. :p
 

rockershovel

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Teppic said:
rockershovel said:
Uberwald is a cod-German version of Transylvania, which is in turn Latin for "beyond the forest". It's a sort of Hammer-horror version of the Carpathians and Central Europe generally.

Slobenia and Borogravia are the minor, perpetually warring states of the Balkans.

The Circle Sea is approximately the Mediterranean, and the countries around it are the Meditarranean states, more-or-less.

Ankh-Morpork is a generic European Renaissance-era city-state in the early books, although its later descriptions are increasingly Victorian in some ways. The jokes about US police depts ( "FABRICATI DEVS PUNC.. " "protect and serve" ) are just that, jokes.

the joke about the Agatean Empire being also known as Auriental = "where the gold comes from" is also a cod-Latin joke, "gold" in Latin being "aurum"
Agreed. Always seen Ankh-Morpork as a version of London; I wonder whether that's because I'm from London and everyone sees their own city in it, or whether the similarities are actually there.

Slobenia and Borogravia are obviously modelled on the Balkans, though the armies fighting seem more to be more English Civil War.

The two I can think of off the top of my head that the opening post missed out are Llamedos, which is obviously a Discworld Wales full of male singers and harp players, and Howondaland, Discworld's Congo.
 

Natalya

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#38
captainmeme said:
Borogravia and Zlobenia are part of a large amount of small countries, possibly the Stans? (Uzbakistan, Afganistan etc.) I dont really know that one.
Let me break in, as a native speaker of Slavic language :)
No-no-no, not Uzbakistan and not Afganistan, indeed. There are too much sand and too few forests In that countries :).
'Zlobenia' sounds like 'Slovenia' (is real country). Borogravia sounds like mix of 'Moravia' +prefix 'Boro-' . Moravia is real country, too, is situated near to Slovenia. Prefix 'Boro-' is certainly Slavic.
If you try to translate it:
'Zlobenia' maybe comes from Russian word 'Zloba' ( spite, malice )+'-enia' (end in geographical names of many Slavic countries and regions).
'Borogravia' maybe comes from 'Bogoravia' . I would translate this name of country as 'Near to God', or maybe 'Equal to God'. Alternative: 'Boro-' maybe comes from word 'Borot'sya, bor'ba' (fight).
In result we have: Good (or warlike) Small country (with our hero) and Bad Small country :)
I suspect, Sir Terry can speak in Russian :clap: ... maybe... a little...
PS I've been reading 'Monstrous Regiment' now, as you understand... ;)
 

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