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Who's Wee Dug said:
I will be sorry when I come to the end of it, love it. :mrgreen:
I always feel like crying when I get to the end of a TP book I get sooooo involved with the story . Aaaargh , I admit it , I want to live on discworld
 

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chris.ph wrote:
i think vrtinari is training moist to take over from him!!!!
measuring intelligence by exam results is like measuring digestion by turd length
I hoped so too, except most mentors don't keep threatening their proteges, especially with hanging, the iron maiden, kittens, the poker, and death in general. They tend to be in failing mental health, and then need anyone to take over.
I'm just hoping it's not Carrot. I wanted Moist too, but I suspect it'll be Vimes - he's better known disc-wide.
 

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Vimes is about the same age as Vetinari - naming him as successor would be a little pointless if Vetinari plans a long life. Why would Terry ever get rid of Vetinari? He's too popular a character and there is no reason why Terry can't keep writing about him for as long as he writes Discworld book. Long live the Tyrant! :laugh:
 

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Long live the Patrician, providing he stays sane, healthy and safe. *snuggles him from previous books*
I want to know what happened to him. I prefer him juggling, skipping, and sarcastic; not worrying about him eating, sleeping and drinking alcohol. I've got a picture of him IN MY HEAD dong non-stop paperwork at a barren desk piled with A4 papers, and two plain chairs in front of it for Vimes and Carrot only. I don't know what Pratchett wrote since Thud. It was bad enough with his wobbly chair.
 

=Tamar

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Slantaholic said:
Long live the Patrician, providing he stays sane, healthy and safe. *snuggles him from previous books*
I want to know what happened to him. I prefer him juggling, skipping, and sarcastic; not worrying about him eating, sleeping and drinking alcohol. I've got a picture of him IN MY HEAD dong non-stop paperwork at a barren desk piled with A4 papers, and two plain chairs in front of it for Vimes and Carrot only. I don't know what Pratchett wrote since Thud. It was bad enough with his wobbly chair.
We know he acquired a double in The Truth. Who is to say that there wasn't another double we simply weren't told about? I think that for my head-canon I will choose to consider that any odd behavioral lapses might be the double.
 

=Tamar

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Tonyblack said:
[snip spoiler]
Yes, but I suggest that there may have been more than one. That trip took a long time and someone had to make arrangements for the substitution, someone who looked right had to be trained and get the qualifications, and that would have taken time, regardless of who it was.
 

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=Tamar said:
Tonyblack said:
[snip spoiler]
Yes, but I suggest that there may have been more than one. That trip took a long time and someone had to make arrangements for the substitution, someone who looked right had to be trained and get the qualifications, and that would have taken time, regardless of who it was.
But it's the same double. Charlie was in The Truth and then brought back for Raising Steam, he already knew what to do.
 

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The Mad Collector said:
=Tamar said:
Yes, but I suggest that there may have been more than one. That trip took a long time and someone had to make arrangements for the substitution, someone who looked right had to be trained and get the qualifications, and that would have taken time, regardless of who it was.
But it's the same double. Charlie was in The Truth and then brought back for Raising Steam, he already knew what to do.
Charlie is mentioned in Raising Steam, but I didn't think he was bright enough to be trained as a stoker. There was fierce competition for even the most minor railway jobs. On the other hand, I did just think of another angle. I still think it would have been difficult for Vetinari to spend enough time out of the office to be trained as a stoker and fake all the necessary time, even with Charlie doing most of the "being present at meetings" part of it. It's possible that Charlie was bright enough to be trained as a stoker and pass on what he learned as reports. However, we are told that Drumknott was enthusiastic and spent every possible moment being somehow involved with the railway. I think Drumknott would have been the obvious person to have become friends with railway men as an enthusiast and then passed information to Vetinari.

There remains the problem of how long Vetinari would have had to entrust running the city to Charlie-and-Drumknott. It would be difficult but not impossible to catch up to the train by some other means, whether by witch's broomstick, golem horse, or wizard-empowered coach, but possibly only the broomstick, or perhaps the golem horse, would have been unobtrusive enough to avoid comment. The train had to stop occasionally to take on water, so there were a few opportunities to make the switch, if there was a switch made.

If on the other hand Vetinari trusts Drumknott to run the city using Charlie as a front, then maybe Drumknott is going to be his chosen heir. Drumknott is younger than Vetinari; he got the top-aide position after the events of G!G!
But that's a different discussion.
 

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