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Tonyblack

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snowballs said:
Wow religion, alot of good points here.

I wonder, why can people not believe in whatever they want, whatever god they want or live whatever lifestyle they want as long as they dont either hurt others (both mentally & physically) or force their views down others throats?

In my eyes, God said to the devil," ok I made the world and I made people what can you do to beat that".
The devil replied "ok then I've just invented money & organised religion."


Thing is that some members are religious and could possibly get hurt by members pulling what they believe in apart.
Religion be it right or wrong actually makes believers happy on the whole, gives them a sense of worth and belonging, why not let them feel happy have a sense of worth and feel they belong to something?.

Just a thought.
I don't think anyone here has a problem with anyone else being religious. What some of us do have a problem with is people who rubbish our beliefs but don't have a reasonable alternative other than 'it's written in the Bible, therefore it must be right.'

This is a thread about Richard Dawkins and therefore is almost bound to be a comparison between Evolution and Creationism. If people don't want to join in then they needn't bother opening the thread.

But as many of Terry's books are critical of organised religion, a site dedicated to his writing is likely to attract members who think that way too. :)
 
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OK, I understand, it was just a thought as it seems that religion gets rubbished. Not that I'm religious, I dod say that religion is ok as long as it is not forced down your throat.

I just see religion basically as one of the foundation stones all societies are built upon even though the vast majority of the population are not in the slightest religious.
 

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I'm a cynic I'm afraid and I always say that religion was invented when the first conman met the first sucker. :laugh:
I disagree with you there, Tony. I think it's far more likely that organised religion was invented that way.
 
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When I lived in Camphill they had a bibel evening every week, even though many of the coworkers were not christian.
This started people talking about if it was right to only base the way we worked round christianity.
How I saw it was that antrophosophy is build up around christianity and camphill is built up around antrophosophy so it is right if they had bibel evenings. To make everybody happy they started a group of anybody who was interested to discuss religion where no one was allowed to say "that is wrong" when somebody explained their beliefs. The main reply to things was why? why was that?, it was actually fun and taught people more about different societies than it did about religion. If an argument can not answer the why without quoting the bibel or saying because god/allah/Om( :laugh: ) said so then that is not a viable argument.

Darwin answered the why? the how the when and all the other bits (almost) through pure logic but he was almost outcast for it, that was totally wrong no matter what anybody says. Is creationism even a real religion? or an excuse for believers to be lazy and let somebody else do the thinking? (question not an accusation)

In my mind, maybe there is a god, does he deserve worship? no because he has done a pretty poor job if humanity is his ultimate creation, it proves that he/she is a long way from perfect based on the fact that humanity has gone very wrong, just look around.

To make some people go through torture, rape, murder, genocide, starvation, droughts, wars............................................... is not what should happen, again, why? A god who makes people or animals go through that cannot be good they must be evil. Also a god who demands worship or you will burn in hells fires can not be good. One what would be the difference for many who live on earth now, they are in hell. Two why if god is all good does he/she threaten us if we dont worship them, thats an evil threat, pure bullying.

That Jesus died to free us from our sins, he failed, again, just look around, the only way that could have succeded was to blow the world up while he was just hung on the cross.
That the world is only a few thousand years old :rolleyes: not even worth thinking about.

One does not have to be religious to live after the teachings from any of the holy books, be good, be kind, think of others over yourselves sometimes.

9 times out of ten you can not fight fire with fire, water works better.
Maybe if everybody in the world fought hate with love instead of hate against hate then the earth would be a better place.

Oh no, I'm off on one arnt I? :oops:
 

Tonyblack

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snowballs said:
Oh no, I'm off on one arnt I? :oops:
:laugh: Well that's what discussions about religion tend to do. Once you start questioning the things people believe in and see that there's no logic there, it's awfully difficult not to point it out. When someone insists that the world is only 6000 years old despite all the evidence to the contrary and when someone then dismisses the evidence because of a book of dubious authorage (if there is such a word), that contradicts itself frequently, it is very hard to say: 'I respect your beliefs' and actually mean it.
 
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But you can say I respect that you believe that and get away with it :laugh: You dont have to agree with what they say or believe in only that they have the right to believe whatever they want.
For me religion is to mentally constricting as in it gives answers set in stone because somebody else (often with no education) says so.
We used to believe the world was round :laugh: now we know different thanks to Terry :laugh:

I wonder if there are gods, how many of them are one eyed tortoises o_O:
 
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But you can say I respect that you believe that and get away with it :laugh: You dont have to agree with what they say or believe in only that they have the right to believe whatever they want.
For me religion is to mentally constricting as in it gives answers set in stone because somebody else (often with no education) says so.
We used to believe the world was round :laugh: now we know different thanks to Terry :laugh:

I wonder if there are gods, how many of them are one eyed tortoises o_O:
I'm sure on an episode of QI they said there was no basis for the widely held belief that people use to think the world was flat?

Creationism isn't a religion in its own right as far as I know, it's just a part of Christianity that believes the book of Genesis is true, EVEN though most Christian religious scholars and theologians DON'T.
 
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Creationism is the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being. As science developed from the 18th century onwards, various views developed which aimed to reconcile science with the Genesis creation narrative. At this time those holding that species had been separately created were generally called "advocates of creation" but they were occasionally called "creationists" in private correspondence between Charles Darwin and his friends. As the creation–evolution controversy developed, the term "anti-evolutionists" became more common, then in 1929 in the United States the term "creationism" first became specifically associated with Christian fundamentalist opposition to human evolution and belief in a young Earth, though its usage was contested by other groups, such as old earth creationists and evolutionary creationists, who believed in various concepts of creation. Today, the American Scientific Affiliation and the UK-based Christians in Science recognize that there are different opinions among creationists on the method of creation, while acknowledging unity on the Christian belief that God "created the universe."

Since the 1920s, literalist creationism in America has contested scientific theories, such as that of evolution, which derive from natural observations of the universe and life. Literalist creationists believe that evolution cannot adequately account for the history, diversity, and complexity of life on Earth. Fundamentalist creationists of the Christian faith usually base their belief on a literal reading of the Genesis creation narrative. Other religions have different deity-led creation myths, while different members of individual faiths vary in their acceptance of scientific findings. In contrast to the literalist creationists, evolutionary creationists maintain that, although evolution accounts for biodiversity, evolution itself is cosmologically attributable to a Creator deity.

When mainstream scientific research produces theoretical conclusions which contradict a literalist creationist interpretation of scripture, creationists often reject the conclusions of the research or its underlying scientific theories or its methodology. The rejection of scientific findings has sparked political and theological controversy. Two offshoots of creationism—creation science and intelligent design—have been characterized as pseudoscience by the mainstream scientific community. The most notable disputes concern the evolution of living organisms, the idea of common descent, the geological history of the Earth, the formation of the solar system and the origin of the universe.

From wikipedia, allways good for an explanation.
 
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Dotsie said:
More accurate than the Encyclopedia Brittanica, apparently.
I think most of the time is is accurate as it can be ammended by anybody who knows better, mmmmmmmmmmmmmm a plan to confuse the world :laugh:
They actually got the population of our village totally wrong, on there when I looked the other day it said 2000 something in 760 odd square km, found out it is around 7000 odd, most of them living in the main village.
 

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Terry Pratchet and Richard both doesnt believe in God and organized religion.And they both support assisted suicide
Terry Pratchett also said something like "i rather be risen ape then fallen angel"
I also found Terry Pratchett at wikipedia "famous atheists list"

Most ppl that believe in religions like Christiniaty hate assisted suicide and they say that all suiciders will forever burn in hell.Etc, i personally suggest read "Selfish Gene" and "God Delusion"

"...I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens,
nor should they be considered patriots."
This is one nation under god."
— George W. Bush

"Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
— Isaac Asimov
 

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