Rincewind - Where is the love?

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Ziriath

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#23
LilMaibe said:
.... and I often have the feeling Discworld was meant to end with Nightwatch...or at least the plots of the established characters, to then introduce new ones at new places WITHOUT the intereference of old ones....
/shrug
Yes, sometimes I have the same feeling...But some interference of old ones would be nice.
 

meerkat

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#24
I though UA might be the end, there was something very final about it. But no.
Personally I think is that Terry is the only person who can really see and understand the minutiae of the Discworld. We only read what he writes down about it. I think he has a few ideas yet! :laugh:
 

TimBou

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#25
Interesting discussion, while Rincewind is a bit limited you can be sure there will always be something happening in Discworld when he's around. Usually involving the impending end of the world or similar.

I recall he had a cameo in UA, shame he didn't play more of a part in that book, I think he could have brightened it up a bit.

Surely he will appear in the very last DW book since he appeared in the first one?
 

TimBou

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#26
CJDobs said:
Raisindot wrote: "Then again, I started reading DW books from the "classic" era of Thief of Time and The Fifth Elephant, when PTerry's literary prowess was at its peak."

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh! Contentious!!!!!

Just off the top of my head, Before Thief of Time there was:

Witches Abroad - Classic
Guards! Guards! - Classic
Wyrd Sisters - Classic
Jingo - Classic
Hogfather - Classic
Maskerade - Classic
Lords and Ladies - Classic
Small Gods - Classic
Mort - Classic
Guards! Guards! - Classic
Nice list of classics (since I agree with it ;)), you've got Guards! Guards! twice but that's probably justified. My list would have Small Gods listed twice as well.

Just finished Witches Abroad for the first time, and I'm halfway through Lords and Ladies - the witches are the best!

By the way, Thief of Time for me was a little bit... meh, as was Feet of Clay. Not up to the standard of those classics you've listed. Loved Night Watch, of course. Haven't read Men at Arms, Maskerade, Jingo, Interesting Times, Carpe Jugulum, Fifth Elephant yet so I'll be interested to see what my own personal "classic" list ends up looking like. It seems to be different for everyone.

I suppose part of the problem is none of the Rincewind books are classics? At least in the sense you mean...
 

Antiq

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#27
When I started reading Pratchett, Rincewind was not one of my favourite characters, but as I read more he grew on me to the point that I now love him to bits :laugh: He's right up there with DEATH, Vetenari and Vimes.
 

CJDobs

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TimBou said:
Nice list of classics (since I agree with it ;)), you've got Guards! Guards! twice but that's probably justified. My list would have Small Gods listed twice as well.

Just finished Witches Abroad for the first time, and I'm halfway through Lords and Ladies - the witches are the best!

By the way, Thief of Time for me was a little bit... meh, as was Feet of Clay. Not up to the standard of those classics you've listed. Loved Night Watch, of course. Haven't read Men at Arms, Maskerade, Jingo, Interesting Times, Carpe Jugulum, Fifth Elephant yet so I'll be interested to see what my own personal "classic" list ends up looking like. It seems to be different for everyone.

I suppose part of the problem is none of the Rincewind books are classics? At least in the sense you mean...
Hey TimBou,

Yep GG is so good it makes the list twice (not an oversight at all :laugh: ).

From your 'to read' list - 'Maskerade, Jingo, Interesting Times, Carpe Jugulum, Fifth Elephant' are all classics for me (particularly Maskerade which is my favourite DW novel.....only didn't make my orginal list because I beleive it came out after Thief Of Time.....) You're gonna love them!

Men at Arms was so-so, great book but not as memorable as the current listed company.

And yes, whole heartedly, the Witches are the best - always have been :clap:
 
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#30
I like Rincewind, but I think that as a character, he ran out of steam. His basic usage in every novel was: Rincewind goes to this part of the Disc, so does the story. For example:

The Colour of Magic - Rincewind tours the Disc

Sorcery - Rincewind tours Klatch

Eric - Rincewind tours the Dungeon Dimensions / Klatch / Time

Interesting Times - Rincewind tours The Agetean Empire

The Last Continent - Rincewind tours XXXX

Of course, technically speaking, being a tour guide was his first major role in the Discworld fiction (guiding Twoflower), however, as Pratchett grew in writing skill and confidence, I think he felt he could drop him and still tell Discworld stories well, which he has gone and done with aplomb.

I still hold out a hope that he will return in another book as a lead character, but I don't think it will happen now.
 

ladyramkin

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#31
I know I'm being stupid, but it seems a bit disloyal of Terry to drop Rinso, when he was the one who got him started in the first place. Perhaps just one more book, to make sure he is OK. Rincewind that is, not Terry.
 
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#32
Unlikely, sadly.
Rinso appeared in UA with a role far too small to be of importance and yet too big for a mere cameo. And what he had there were a few lines rather leeching on his reputation (granted, there was one that ranks as my absolute favourite lines in Discworld history...well...the condensed version at least, but still) than actually Rincewind being Rincewind. :cry:

There might, in addition, be other reasons for him not being featured centrally again as well, but those would only be speculation.
 

Jan Van Quirm

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#33
I think all the wizards now bore Terry to tears as they're not as interesting as the Witches because they don't interact with people enough (or properly). Their future has really been more in the Science of the Discworld series which allows their more analytical and academic posturings to come out more effectively and humourously to off-set the actual workaday populist science that's really being explores ;)

Rincewind's confirmed role as the Professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography and his familiarity with surviving in arcane and hostile environments, including potentially L-Space, make him the paramount focus for that line of Disc development :laugh:
 
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Anonymous

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I think the witches bore him too, seeing he gave Granny a perfect little kitty.
And the wizards have been reduced to grumpy old grampas with no idea of reality and the life outside the university walls. Even Ponder who before had more than just an idea of how real life worked now....
I stop here...
 

raisindot

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#35
It's quite possible that Pterry has become bored with the entire DW series and wants to shake himself free of it. After 39 books the man is entitled to move on.

His editorial calendar shows him focusing on other, non-DW novels (I don't count the 'spin-off' stuff as real DW output) for at least this year, and, as others have said, his last couple of DW books (Snuff and ISWM in particular) do seem a bit valedictory in nature.
 
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Anonymous

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I know I'm repeating myself, but re-reading Nightwatch and Carpe Jugulum I even more get the feeling Sir Terry planned for Discworld to end with Nightwatch originally.
 
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#38
Good point, Lady R.

I didn't enjoy Nation, so am not bothered with any non-DW books that come out...... unless he and NG do a sequel to Bad Omens! LOVE that book!
 

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