Scariest Villain in the Discworld
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Carcer. Because I've met some like him. Not the psychopathic killer kind but the 'who me?' innocent kind who take you in like a hypnotist then spit you out and turn their backs, gloating because they made you believe them. Multiply that by Killer Carcer and the dreams don't let you sleep.
The scariest bit I think was at the very end, when Vimes arrested him, and Vimes had to remind himself how evil the man was because he could almost believe his pleas of innocence.
It just occurred to me that the book never did get to the next morning and the hangman...
The scariest bit I think was at the very end, when Vimes arrested him, and Vimes had to remind himself how evil the man was because he could almost believe his pleas of innocence.
It just occurred to me that the book never did get to the next morning and the hangman...
I always thought that it was the Cunning Man, because of his potential. I mean, if Tiffany hadn't burnt Macintosh to death, or he'd spent some time infecting the rest of the Discworld, then all witches could have been destroyed. Or if Mistress Weatherwax hadn't beaten him when she was but a spog. Without her, practically every averted threat to the Discworld wouldn't have been averted.
Although carcer for sure will have been hanged I still dont like how the book ended, id like it put on paper, black and white that carcer did indeed hang, after everything he did, how everything turned out for the night watch and john keel id have liked to see the with my own (minds) eyes that he got punished, something like "and he was taken to justice and vimes got on with his life" really doesnt do anything for me, he might aswell have not been captured and the book ended like that.
And the ending really was sad, I mean I nearly shed a tear and for the book to end like that... I felt like I was in a car going full pelt and hitting an invisible tree.
And the ending really was sad, I mean I nearly shed a tear and for the book to end like that... I felt like I was in a car going full pelt and hitting an invisible tree.
I don't think the execution would have added anything. The fact that Vimes didn't butcher Carcer on the spot, but handed him over for trial is right and proper. One of the themes of the book is sticking to the meaning of the law and not using it for personal gain. One of the lessons Sam tried to drive into young Sam was that the law comes above whoever happens to be the ruler and whatever their personal goals are.
So Sam Vimes did his job. He caught his man and handed him over to be judged and ultimately executed. His role as policeman ended at that point.
When you are watching a TV cop show, you see the cops catch the bad guy and that's it (generally). We don't see that bad guy in court or sentenced, or what happens to them in prison, because that's nothing to do with the cop show.
So Sam Vimes did his job. He caught his man and handed him over to be judged and ultimately executed. His role as policeman ended at that point.
When you are watching a TV cop show, you see the cops catch the bad guy and that's it (generally). We don't see that bad guy in court or sentenced, or what happens to them in prison, because that's nothing to do with the cop show.
I certainly agree about Carcer ,if only because he actually BELIEVES that he is in the right...TP quite clearly tells us that Carcer has decided that morality does not count for anything and therefore that he (carcer) only has to consider Carcer..i.e that HE is the only person that has any rights.....this is why he truly believes that he is innocent , after all , if only he has rights then no crime has been commited :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: .
Another contender has to be Teppics` chief councillor in Pyramids , a man that hog ties an entire civillisation for no better reason that "this is the way that it has always been done , so this is the way that it will always BE done" :doh:
Personally I find some of Pratchetts` concepts more frightening than his villains , and the auditors have to lead the list here , they ARE alive (by most definitions), yet they insists that they are not , and in common with carcer have put themselves above the entire multiverse as a result :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
A very close second place must go to the ( & let`s not bandy words here )...ELVES , who seem to have a lot in common with Dr Who`s the Silence , as both races can manipulate your mind to make you believe that that they are not there....a very hard enemy to fight.
On a more personal level I have to add that to my mind the most frightening monsters of all are the Weeping Angels from Dr Who , Pratchett has yet to come up with a villain who you know will get you because of your own weakness ( I am sure that we ALL tried not to blink after the first time that they appeared)
Incidentally I totally agree with earlier replies suggesting a story around hex (or a thinking engine like him) being based on 2001. Perhaps a ship "manned " by Vampires ? After all , they don`t need oxygen/food/water until they get there and when they do get there , can be brought to life with a vial of blood :shifty:
Another contender has to be Teppics` chief councillor in Pyramids , a man that hog ties an entire civillisation for no better reason that "this is the way that it has always been done , so this is the way that it will always BE done" :doh:
Personally I find some of Pratchetts` concepts more frightening than his villains , and the auditors have to lead the list here , they ARE alive (by most definitions), yet they insists that they are not , and in common with carcer have put themselves above the entire multiverse as a result :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
A very close second place must go to the ( & let`s not bandy words here )...ELVES , who seem to have a lot in common with Dr Who`s the Silence , as both races can manipulate your mind to make you believe that that they are not there....a very hard enemy to fight.
On a more personal level I have to add that to my mind the most frightening monsters of all are the Weeping Angels from Dr Who , Pratchett has yet to come up with a villain who you know will get you because of your own weakness ( I am sure that we ALL tried not to blink after the first time that they appeared)
Incidentally I totally agree with earlier replies suggesting a story around hex (or a thinking engine like him) being based on 2001. Perhaps a ship "manned " by Vampires ? After all , they don`t need oxygen/food/water until they get there and when they do get there , can be brought to life with a vial of blood :shifty:
Carcer's not that scary, he's an idiot who tries to groom thugs in NW, including Nobby. I think he always knew he was due to be arrested by Vimes.
The next scariest one is Jonathan Teatime in fanfictions where he falls in love with Susan. In the book, he's a very weird assassin who strategizes outside of the box.
I always found Vorbis to be the strangest and the last person I would ever want to rule the country if the UK fell into an apocalypse. In the same scenario, I could just tolerate Vetinari as an MP, but not local.
The vampires are next if they all naturally behave like CJ, and though as much as I like the Black Ribboners, - it's hard - but it's like dealing with ongoing coffee addicts.
I'm fine with the elves as they live in small parasitic worlds, but appear to need aid and seem unable to break out of their poaching/raiding behaviours. They need, erm, a lot of help, mostly to encourage their trade.
Incidentally, lots of objects that become alive on Discworld are also scary: the gonne, the shopping trolleys, and
The next scariest one is Jonathan Teatime in fanfictions where he falls in love with Susan. In the book, he's a very weird assassin who strategizes outside of the box.
I always found Vorbis to be the strangest and the last person I would ever want to rule the country if the UK fell into an apocalypse. In the same scenario, I could just tolerate Vetinari as an MP, but not local.
The vampires are next if they all naturally behave like CJ, and though as much as I like the Black Ribboners, - it's hard - but it's like dealing with ongoing coffee addicts.
I'm fine with the elves as they live in small parasitic worlds, but appear to need aid and seem unable to break out of their poaching/raiding behaviours. They need, erm, a lot of help, mostly to encourage their trade.
Incidentally, lots of objects that become alive on Discworld are also scary: the gonne, the shopping trolleys, and
Iron Girder. Moist and Dick appear OK with it.
