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Apr 2, 2011
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#21
LilMaibe said:
It always depends, I'd say.
Unless the talks is about what formally were the Watch books and are now Vimes books.
(I think I stopped liking Vimes when he was the 'trigger' for the pseudo-happy-end in MR )
This.

Not read that book yet, but a character solving somethinsg completely by himself is not that interesting on character development.
 
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#22
To a minor defense he didn't solve the prob alone in MR, but he was the trigger. A role that didn't NEEDED to be filled by Vimes. In fact the whole book could have done WITHOUT anyone from AM being NEAR the countries at war.
(YMMV)

as for the books with him AFTER MR, though....
 

Tonyblack

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#23
A happy ending in MR? I don't think so. They still had a huge way to go and their own problems to solve that had very little to do with either Ankh Morpork or Vimes. o_O
 
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#24
as said above, pseudo-happy-ending. And wasn't it the reveal that vimes isn't what the folks above said he's like that triggered important stuff?
 
Nov 15, 2011
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^No. What triggered the important stuff was Polly going to find her brother. Vimes's 'reputation' was just tactics. The book was about perceived indentity & subsequent prejudices. Cause and effect, that kind of thing. Monstrous Regiment is a firm favourite of mine.

Re - The woman in the shop. My step-mother refers Discworld as 'those childrens books you read'. I mean, really!
 
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Sister Jennifer said:
^No. What triggered the important stuff was Polly going to find her brother. Vimes's 'reputation' was just tactics. The book was about perceived indentity & subsequent prejudices. Cause and effect, that kind of thing. Monstrous Regiment is a firm favourite of mine.

Re - The woman in the shop. My step-mother refers Discworld as 'those childrens books you read'. I mean, really!
would the events that lead to the , well, end as it is in the book have been triggered if vimes would not have been there?
I don't mean the events in general were bad, just that it HAD to be vimes and not some new character with no connection to AM.
 
Nov 13, 2011
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So did I with every watchbook after Men At Arms as it became less humorous and more focused on Vimes being a detector.
The detective aspect is an oversimplification of Vimes. Yes, he usually finds things out, though there may be bits he only learns of in the aftermath. But he is also about law vs society, common law vs personal morality, what are the limits of applying one's personal morality to society at large, building a multi-cultural society, and other things.
 
Nov 13, 2011
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I don't mean the events in general were bad, just that it HAD to be vimes and not some new character with no connection to AM.
While it didn't absolutely *have* to be Vimes, the reasons it was Vimes, are, IMO, the following:

1) Pratchett really likes Vimes.
2) IIRC it was Lady Margolotta in TFE who described Vimes as paradoxically both anti-establishment and the representative of establishment. That we already know him as such makes him pre-suited for his role in MR.
3) The involvement of Ankh Morpork shows how the recent technological developments (the Clacks) are Diskifying (equivalent of globalizing) local conflicts. The situation between Borogravia and its neighbors impacts the major powers and they will try to enforce peace because war is bad for their business. Which is a big part of Vetinari's thinking, and Vimes is his terrier.
 

deldaisy

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#30
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author3 said:
i really wanted to have a very stern talk with her, but then she left the bookshop :(
Good grief man! Where is your ingenuity?

You should have followed her! All the way home.... :twisted: and written down her address so we could all send her letters detailing her lack of intelligence and our own personal views of the DW books..... :twisted: ... day after day.... week after week.... bawahaaaaaaaaa!!!!
 

stripy_tie

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Oct 21, 2011
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#38
high eight said:
author3 said:
Yesterday I was in the bookshop and I overheard( :oops: ) this woman talking to the owner about Discworld
She told him that she had read all the ''Witch'' books and that she started reading the ''Watch'' one and she said they were really boring and that they have put her off reading the rest of the series :cry:

I have absoluteley no idea how anyone could hate the Watch so much that it put her off reading the rest of the series :cry: :cry:
Probably one of those pagan types who had been recommended the witch books by her local shaman and expected the watch to be more of the same..... :rolleyes:
Oh dear lord don't get me started on those people. If you don't have any gods then it's not a religion "the feminine aspect" or whatever doesn't count, the only thing they worship is their own inflated sense of self importance.
 
#40
An odd attitude to take. Fair enough for not liking the Watch novels, different strokes for different folks and all, but to be put off the whole series when the Watch story strand is only one, semi-independent, part of it? Unusual. Then again, I got put off a different series by a different author because of one line, so I suppose I can't judge too harshly.

From a personal perspective, the Watch novels are my favourites and I think they get better with each passing novel. There's only so much Naked Gun style spoofery a series can get away with before it circles the drain and the progressively darker, angrier, more cynically humorous and more socially aware strain in the AM novels in general and the Watch novels in particular appeals to my tastes and sensibilities. Your mileage may vary of course; the joy of the Discworld novels is that there's something to suit most tastes.
 

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