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Nov 22, 2011
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I have to disagree as to motive - IMHO Vetinari is just in it for the love of the game - however that is not to say that the game does not include making provision for a successor who will continue the good work
 

Oberon

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#42
As has already been mentioned I can't see Sir Terry killing off such a marvelous character and since Vetinari is probably in his mid to late fifties the problem is not likely to come up for some time (especially since the Assasins Guild won't accept a contract on him). Of course if Havelock was worried about encroaching mortality I'm sure Lady Margolotta would be delighted to "turn" her dear friend. Besides he's just the sort of personality to go the zombie route (if only to annoy the hell out of his rivals).

If you do want the name of a possible successor may I suggest Grace Speaker, the pet shop owner who The Patrician suspects is secretly the compiler of the Ankh-Morpork Times crossword. As Vetinary himself suggested in "SNUFF" a woman of her intelligence is unlikley to remain satisfied with running a pet shop and has consequently placed her under observation.
 

Ziriath

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#43
There's his Great Project (dunno how it's called in the original version) in the underground of Ankh-Morpork (Is something about it written in Snuff? I haven't read it yet. Maybe it's going to be subway?). He surely does not want to die, until The Project is finished. If he dies, I think he would become a vampire- cos zombies suffer from losing body parts and from various parasites, which fact he would find quite disgusting. When he already looks like a vampire, the actual BEING a vampire is the only last step.
 
Nov 22, 2011
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#44
Like the Grace Speaker idea (could she be Vetinari's secret sister?) ... Vetinari as vampire would be interesting too with the added bonus that probably nobody would notice
 

Tonyblack

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#45
Ziriath said:
There's his Great Project (dunno how it's called in the original version) in the underground of Ankh-Morpork (Is something about it written in Snuff? I haven't read it yet. Maybe it's going to be subway?). He surely does not want to die, until The Project is finished. If he dies, I think he would become a vampire- cos zombies suffer from losing body parts and from various parasites, which fact he would find quite disgusting. When he already looks like a vampire, the actual BEING a vampire is the only last step.
Love the Star Trek avatar, Ziranth! That ended up as one of the silliest episodes ever. :laugh:

The 'underground' idea was sort of hinted at in Thud! but no mention of it has been made since. One of the mine signs described sounded a bit like a London Underground sign and, of course, there were all those tunnels dug by the dwarfs and the mechanisms that could have operated such a system.

Maybe we'll hear more of it again. :laugh:
 

raisindot

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#47
Tonyblack said:
The 'underground' idea was sort of hinted at in Thud! but no mention of it has been made since...
Maybe we'll hear more of it again. :laugh:
Actually, financing exploration and development of the Underground is one of the main reasons why Vetinari wants Moist to run the bank and Royal Mint in Making Money, and Harry King borrows money from the bank to finance his own share in the project.
 
#48
raisindot said:
Tonyblack said:
The 'underground' idea was sort of hinted at in Thud! but no mention of it has been made since...
Maybe we'll hear more of it again. :laugh:
Actually, financing exploration and development of the Underground is one of the main reasons why Vetinari wants Moist to run the bank and Royal Mint in Making Money, and Harry King borrows money from the bank to finance his own share in the project.
Wild guess time... Could the much foreshadowed, but never explicitly described, 'Undertaking' actually be the name of the Tube/Metro-esque public transport system? It fits nicely with Leonard of Quirm's (the obvious choice for the designer on such a project), way of naming things; you know, a corruption of something like 'Underground Taking People to Other Places System'.
 

TiffanyAching

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Dec 30, 2011
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I don't think anyone else *Should* take over, but I think he'd name Moist VonLipwig as his succesor as he would be crooked enough to keep the city in order ;)
 

Oberon

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TiffanyAching said:
I don't think anyone else *Should* take over, but I think he'd name Moist VonLipwig as his succesor as he would be crooked enough to keep the city in order ;)
You might have a good point there Tiffany. Welcome to the forum from a another newbie. :text-welcomewave:
 
Apr 29, 2009
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From the recent interview with Terry in Writing Magazine:

At one point as we were working on Snuff, my editor said to me "You know, usually in a career like yours, round about now would be the time that you would kill off a major character" and I said "Says who?"

What, that's a reason for killing a major character? That's insane. If I really thought a major character needed to be killed, then they could be killed, but at the moment I don't see any reason why I should.


Copies of this interview can still be obtained by PMing me!! ;)
 
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Oberon said:
As has already been mentioned I can't see Sir Terry killing off such a marvelous character and since Vetinari is probably in his mid to late fifties the problem is not likely to come up for some time (especially since the Assasins Guild won't accept a contract on him). Of course if Havelock was worried about encroaching mortality I'm sure Lady Margolotta would be delighted to "turn" her dear friend. Besides he's just the sort of personality to go the zombie route (if only to annoy the hell out of his rivals).

If you do want the name of a possible successor may I suggest Grace Speaker, the pet shop owner who The Patrician suspects is secretly the compiler of the Ankh-Morpork Times crossword. As Vetinary himself suggested in "SNUFF" a woman of her intelligence is unlikley to remain satisfied with running a pet shop and has consequently placed her under observation.
This is a great idea! Vetinari certainly has a great regard for her intelligence and deviousness. I just hope she's not the shy type that can't step out in the open and show what she's capable of unless it's under the mantle of anonymity or a false name. Sort of a Cyrano de Bergerac situation. Otherwise, why not let people know who's writing the crossword puzzles?
'Cos if she is... well, you can't step into a meeting with the Guild leaders and blush to your knees and go "um, er, uh..." with your voice trembling all over the place... they'll eat you alive!
As fot the Vampire Vetinari idea: are we absolutely, 100% sure he isn't one already? I mean, I remember a book in which Sam Vimes was wondering if Vetinari ever slept. I know that we have occasionally seen him eat and drink, but Black Ribboners eat also, don't they? Just a thought...
 

Ziriath

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#58
Angua and other werewolves would recognize it. But I think she would not say it to anyone, cos there's no reason for it, and he gave her a good job. Yes, I agree he already can be a vampire.
 

raisindot

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#59
Bouncy Castle said:
From the recent interview with Terry in Writing Magazine:

At one point as we were working on Snuff, my editor said to me "You know, usually in a career like yours, round about now would be the time that you would kill off a major character" and I said "Says who?"


What a totally stupid thing for an editor to say. Especially to a writer who is in the latter stages of his career and is struggling to remain consistent with the characters he has.
 

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